Why are we even considering compensation?

by Christie on September 27, 2018 at 9:30am

Mike Yardley at Stuff is asking the very pertinent question of why we are even considering paying compensation to people who were evicted from houses that were contaminated with methamphetamine. We shouldn’t be. quote.

How many news scribes bothered to read Housing New Zealand’s (HNZ) methamphetamine contamination report last week, before rushing to join the feeding frenzy of condemnation?

Did any of them peruse the full report before being played like a fiddle by the master of choreography, Housing Minister, Phil Twyford? end quote.

Unlikely. The preaching had already started and had been used as an opportunity to beat the previous government with a big stick over trying to keep tenants safe from contamination. quote:

 

Much of the commentary in HNZ’s 188-page report has been pasteurised to please the ideological persuasions of their political masters. But buried beneath the spin and fluff, some searing facts provide some sobering context about the scourge of meth in state housing and how the agency arguably acted in good faith.

Since July 2013, 4958 of HNZ’s properties have been contamination-tested, triggered by reasonable grounds for suspicion, with 2483 properties testing above the Ministry of Health and Standards New Zealand’s prevailing thresholds at the time.

Of those, 1214 properties were tenanted when testing was carried out. In the case of 264 properties, HNZ was satisfied that the present tenants weren’t responsible for the contamination and they were promptly rehoused. HNZ also paid for their moving costs and shelled out grocery vouchers or cash grants to atone for placing them in contaminated rentals. end quote.

So those that were blameless were rehoused and compensated at least to a point. If it was me, I would simply be grateful to be moved out of a house that could seriously damage my family’s health. quote:

In a further 159 properties, the tenants were allowed to stay put, while it was remedied. But for 791 properties, the occupants were found responsible for the contamination, they were not rehoused, and were served with a seven-day notice, a 90-day notice, or a Tenancy Tribunal order to vacate.

The HNZ report also reveals that of their rentals that tested positive for meth, 565 of them actually clocked up a reading of 15μg/100cm2 or higher. (The new contamination threshold as decreed by Sir Peter Gluckman.) end quote.

Not a case of passing contamination then. These houses would still breach the limits, even if tested today. quote:

Remember the 87-year-old pensioner who was forced out of her rental of 60 years? The TV news channels paraded her last week as a prime victim of HNZ’s “bogus testing”. Not only did HNZ rehouse her and pay the moving costs, but her rental recorded an off-the-charts meth reading of 22.5ug/100cm2. And that followed the tenant’s son arranging for the property to be commercially cleaned before testing. There had also been a firearms incident at the place. end quote.

Obviously a dear, sweet, little old lady. quote.

Yes, in the great majority of cases, the positive meth readings fell well short of the new Gluckman threshold that HNZ has now embraced. However, why are we frittering away big bucks compensating the occupants of those 791 properties, who had been cooking or smoking meth in their state rentals?

Why should hundreds of bad eggs be financially rewarded for criminal behaviour or breaching their tenancy agreement, just because of overcautious meth contamination readings? end quote.

Don’t we call this government criminal huggers? Is that what this is? quote.

Furthermore, the Government is forcing HNZ to lurch from one perceived extreme to another. The era of “zero tolerance” for illegal drug activity has been turned on its head, with a “zero-eviction policy” for illegal drug use now in force.

Meth use in state houses no longer carries any sanctions. end quote.

Is this for real? It is now okay to use meth in a state house? quote.

If you’re a meth user, you’ll be offered access to fully-funded addiction treatment services. That’s a worthy, welcome initiative.

But if you spurn every offer of help, preferring to pursue your recalcitrant lifestyle, there’ll be no repercussions, unless you’re unlucky enough to be collared by the cops for burglary or the like, to support your habit.

And if you contaminate your rental beyond the new Gluckman threshold, HNZ will now happily transfer you to another property. No problem. end quote.

Which will simply be contaminated again. Then on to the next one and the next one and so on.

This government is completely crazy. The waiting lists for state houses are getting longer by the day and all that they can do is to continue to reward people for criminal behaviour. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Contrast that with a landlord who, if they have not insulated their rental property by July 2019, can be fined $4000, with the money going to the tenant. How about compensating landlords who have to decontaminate their properties because of these criminals? That’s never going to happen. Because landlords are fat cats, so we can’t have that.

Who’s the daddy lion?

by Cameron Slater on September 15, 2018 at 9:00am

Cindy on Winston’s knee.
Photoshopped image credit: Luke

On The AM Show Kris Faafoi was trying out some new lines to try and describe the NZ First-led government: Quote:

A Labour MP says political commentators are yet to figure out what much of the public already has – that this Government is the first “pure” MMP Government.

This Government is not the same as the previous Government,” new Minister of Broadcasting Kris Faafoi told The AM Show on Friday.

“The previous Government had a lion and a lamb, and when the lion said ‘jump’, the lamb said, ‘How high?’ In this Government we’ve got more than one lion, and we have agreed… to a whole lot of stuff. And if we want to do other things, instead of answering ‘how high’… we say, ‘Why should we jump? Let’s have a discussion about those kinds of things.’” End quote.

 

I think we all know who the lion is, and boy is he roaring.Quote:

Critics of the Government have latched onto disagreements between Labour and NZ First, the two parties which make up the formal coalition, over issues such as the refugee quota and justice reform.

National MP Judith Collins, perhaps unsurprisingly, is one of those critics.

The party needs to actually work out who’s in charge,” she told The AM Show. “As Kris says, there’s three lions there – which one of them’s the big daddy lion?

She said it’s clearly NZ First leader Winston Peters. End quote.

Yup.

Puppet master Winston.
Photoshopped image credit: Luke

But here is the sledge of the day, from Judith Collins:Quote:

“It’s really great that Jacinda’s going to dump all her TV bookings for this weekend so she can do a speech on Sunday to tell us all what’s happening… We’ve got Winston Peters off the reservation on various issues, the Greens off on the other side and we’ve got Jacinda in the middle, saying: ‘What the hell is going on here?’” End quote.

Can anyone imagine Simon Bridges being able to say that?Quote:

Ms Ardern was due to appear on Three’s Newshub Nation and TVNZ’s Q+A this weekend, but pulled out of both, her press secretary claiming it was a “simple diary issue”. National leader Simon Bridges will appear on Newshub Nation in her place.

Mr Faafoi said instead Ms Ardern will deliver a speech to outline what the Government has achieved in its first year, and “what we intend to do for the next 24 months and hopefully beyond”. End quote.

It will be a short speech then. Quote:

Clare Curran’s resignation last week saw Mr Faafoi pick up the broadcasting portfolio. While Ms Curran was a member of Cabinet, Mr Faafoi has been left outside, with Cabinet shrinking to 19 with Ms Curran’s demotion.

Ms Collins said if Mr Faafoi wants to take Ms Curran’s spot in Cabinet, he knows what he has to do.

“Kris just has to become a woman and he’ll get into Cabinet – that’s the problem, you see? I’ve told him what he has to do. I don’t know if he’s prepared to do it.”

Mr Faafoi didn’t respond to Ms Collins’ suggestion. End quote.

Two great sledges in one 15 minute slot.

Faafoi could always identify as a woman. That seems to be a thing these days.

Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies

by SB on September 11, 2018 at 1:00pm

A reader wrote to me and pointed out that he had noticed that often what New Zealand Muslims say to the media does not match Islamic texts.

His first example was what he called a “puff piece” article from the Otago Daily Timesthat was written not long after one of the many Islamic terror attacks in the Western world. Quote.

Muslim imam Mustenser Qamar said the Quran strongly condemned terrorism, but not everybody realised that.

“There’s no form of terrorism allowed in Islamic teachings,” he said

“These people, I like to call them ‘so-called muslims’, because they’re not acting on Islamic teachings. End quote.

Typically after every such attack, Muslims are interviewed by the media and tell us that “Islam doesn’t support terrorism”.

These two verses from two of Islamic texts, however, contradict the above claim. quote.

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures.

–  (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220)

“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!”

–  Quran  (3:151)end quote.

 

The Islamic Women’s Council  of New Zealand responded to comments made by disgraced Imam Dr Mohammad Anwar Sahib  by saying…

While we may disagree with aspects of Jewish theology, and may have political disagreements, we see the Jewish people as closely connected to us through the Abrahamic tradition. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had good relationships with his Jewish neighbours and encouraged Muslims to do the same. We are permitted to eat their kosher food, and we offer them our respect.

These quotes from Islamic texts contradict the Islamic Women’s Council of New Zealand.

O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”
–  Quran  5:51

“And well ye knew those amongst you [Children of Israel] who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”

–  Quran 2:65

“The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men. As they were being taken in small groups to the Prophet, they said to one another, ‘What do you think will be done to us?’ Someone said, ‘Do you not understand. On each occasion do you not see that the summoner never stops? He does not discharge anyone. And that those who are taken away do not come back. By God, it is death!’ The affair continued until the Messenger of Allah had finished with them all.”

–  Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 35, See Also Ishaq:464

In fact, Muhammad’s dying words included a curse on Jews for building their place of worship at their prophets’ graves.

When the last moment of the life of Allah’s Apostle came he started putting his ‘Khamisa’ on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, “May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.”

– Sahih Bukhari 1:8:427

“Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.”

–  Sahih Muslim 26:5389

Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”

– Sahih Muslim 41:6985,

See also Sahih Muslim 41:6981Sahih Muslim 41:6982Sahih Muslim 41:6983Sahih Muslim 41:6984, and Sahih Bukhari 4:56:791

Finally, a completely different reader contacted me this week to point out how the words reported by the MSM from FIANZ do not match their actions. He wrote…

Taqwa Mosque is still listed on FIANZ. The imam at the mosque is the same who believes he is due an apology for being exposed saying that women should not leave the house without permission and that Jews are the enemies of Muslims. FIANZ spoke against him and stood him down from their board but still endorse his mosque.WTF?

It is hard to escape the feeling that just like in other Western countries Islam is the religion of sweet little lies to prevent non-Muslims from being spooked by the truth. They actually have a special word for it.

al-Taqiyya: 
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

Patrick Gower gets owned by Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneaux

by Cameron Slater on August 4, 2018 at 8:00am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=mUR9U6Srj7g
Patrick Gower is a fool, he is dumb as a box of frogs and he wanted to go toe-to-toe with Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux and got spanked hard.

Newshub continues to call them far-right: Quote:

Canadian far-right speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux told Newshub’s Patrick Gower their free speech has been “shut down”.

“This was not our plan for this evening,” Ms Southern said, sitting alongside Mr Molyneux, shortly after their speaking event had been cancelled in Auckland.

They were going to have a meet-and-greet, a dinner, a book signing and other activities, all of which were cancelled after the PowerStation – a venue in Eden Terrace – pulled out.

“It’s hard to know why the event was cancelled,” Mr Molyneux told Gower, Newshub’s National Correspondent. He said the venue was sold out, and said there was “huge amounts of enthusiasm for who we were”.

PowerStation co-owner Peter Campbell told Newshub he had cancelled the event.

Mr Molyneux said the PowerStation owner was “enthusiastic” about them and the event, despite the owner previously telling Newhsub he only just found out about who they were.

PowerStation co-owner Gabrielle Mullins told Stuff it wasn’t clear it was the Canadian pair from the name on the booking, and that the minute the PowerStation found out who they were, the event was cancelled.

One of the pair’s supporters tweeted saying the venue had “caved to far left terrorism”. End quote.

 

The left-wing have been gloating about shutting this down, one person even claiming he issued a bomb-threat. The venue owner has caved to terrorism, the media have aided and abetted terrorism. Patrick Gower has shown himself to be a dullard. Quote:

Mr Molyneux said the pair were welcomed in Australia, and wanted to have a constructive debate in New Zealand. But hundreds of people were set to rally against the Auckland visit on Friday.

“There’s polling done in this country which shows 70 percent of people think we have the right so speak,” said Ms Southern, adding that she believes a powerful minority prevented their event from going ahead.

The pair arrived at Auckland Airport on Thursday, and were photographed posing under a Māori carving in the Arrivals area. They were accused of disrespecting Māori culture.

But Mr Molyneux said they were just joking around, saying the media doesn’t “understand what humour is.” He said somebody had said on Twitter that the Māori carving could act as a force field to keep them out.

“Some people are offended by everything,” Ms Southern told Gower.

The pair said neither of them disagrees that people can’t oppose their views. They said the ability to express different views is what has made the West “so great”.

But they argue it’s not fair that they had paid for the venue and believe the event should have gone ahead. It was the PowerStation owners’ choice not to go ahead with the event, they said, but that “doesn’t mean it was the right choice”.

Mr Molyneux said the pair will decide “as time goes on” what to do in retaliation to their event being cancelled in Auckland.

“We are in a hurly-burly situation right now. This is the first time this has happened. Things are topsy-turvy right now,” he said.

“There are individuals that don’t want us to be here, including in Government, and individuals have said they want to attack the event. If someone goes 180 in one hour, there are usually forces pushing them.

Caolan Robertson, understood to be an agent for Ms Southern, told Newshub that “powerful forces” were opposed to the event. He said they could not find another event and it was over.

The pair had announced they would be using the venue as their event in an email then posted to Twitter.

“We want to thank you for the incredible understanding and patience you’ve shown as we’ve had to keep the location of the venue secret for as long as possible,” the email reads.

The pair’s visit has been a source of controversy, with Mayor Phil Goff saying they weren’t welcome in any council-owned venues in Auckland because of their history of racism and intolerance.

They initially cancelled the event (part of a travelling roadshow around Australia and New Zealand) when they were denied the use of a council venue, but later confirmed they would still be coming when their promoter found a private venue. End quote.

I wouldn’t mind betting that Phil Goff gets himself sued because there is now clear damage that has occurred as a result of his comments. I hope the Powerstation owners also get sued for breaking their contract.

On top of that there could be Human Rights prosecutions against the venue owner for making a political decision.

Patrick Gower interview: Lauren Southern & Stefan Molyneux

Well I watched this tonight, and have to say, i have never wanted to hit someone so much as I wanted to hit Patrick, I will if I see him in the street.

Asks a question, but when he doesn’t get what he wants, he changes it or stops the person answering.

He was out of his league with this one, shot down in flames, It was so funny

Still will hit him.

Freedom of Speech in this country is not for White people.

And the news watching Jacinda Ardern going against free speech is a joke, Standing there with her Bastard child (yes she’s a unwed mother) is a joke. And with the Fake Fisherman with her, LOL

Freedom of Speech in New Zealand is dead for White people that dont bend to the apartheid that is New Zealand.

I bet I’ll be called a racist, but facts are facts are facts…

by Cameron Slater on July 21, 2018 at 9:30am

I bet I’ll be called a racist, but facts are facts are facts.

Lindsay Mitchell posts these two charts:

and;

Surprised?

I’m not. The luvvies in government will have you know that the two things are not at all related. No sireee. Not relevant.

Various “experts” will tell you that the incarceration rates are in fact racism, racist police and a long standing, systemic effect of colonisation.

Or maybe it is just dead shits become dead shit criminals.

This is why data should be analysed, it should be debated, and the more data you have the better the picture of the problem at hand. But this government has shut down all those big data projects.

Whatever the real reasons are for the link between these two charts you can be sure that no debate will be allowed…because racism.

There is no ‘we in child abuse. There are only really, really awful parents and caregivers.

Skip the ‘we’ white man

by Suze on June 22, 2018 at 12:30pm

So stop blaming the rest of us, when it’s the abusers that the media, police and do-gooders who keep banging on about collective responsibility, should be pointing the finger at.

But please, feel free to blame our generous welfare system that allows young people incapable of looking after themselves to become parents. Teenage parents become abusers in the making, along with their overloaded and under-resourced families who feel obliged to step in.

 

This week’s sentencing of Auckland man Avi Prasad, who was jailed for five years and eight months for the abuse of a young boy, pushes child abuse into the realm of sadistic torture.  Quote.

“Det Insp Higson said it’s disappointing that we keep having such horrific cases of child abuse.

“New Zealand punches above its weight in a lot things: in sport, in politics – we were the first country in the world to give women the vote,” he said.

[There are] a lot of things New Zealand is outstanding at. We are also outstanding at hurting our children.” End of quote.

Skip the ‘we’ white man!  Me and mine don’t abuse our children and we resent being lumped in with the scum that does.

This collective responsibility for child abuse that has been thrust upon us has not reduced child abuse statistics and how could it?  As long as we keep shifting responsibility from the real abusers, nothing will change.

Today is a sad day for New Zealand

Today is the day our country will lose it’s mana.

Today the country will be lead by an unwed female with an illegitimate child. No commitment to Marriage or morels to the christian faith.

Today the country becomes a joke, led by a group that wasn’t voted in to lead, that does nothing but creates committees to work on things they might do.

What a joke, i’m embarrassed to be a Kiwi

The negative narrative continues for this government

by Cameron Slater on June 18, 2018 at 8:30am

It appears that Jacinda-mania is over and that media have finally realised the princess has no answers.

If there ever was a honeymoon it is well over now as the government lurches from one crisis after another and almost all are self inflicted.

Stacey Kirk is the latest to put down the Kool-Aid sippy cup: Quote:

Consensus government in action, or a bloody awful mess? 

It’s difficult to characterise the past week as anything but the latter and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern may be worried about whether she’ll have a Government to come back to when she returns from maternity leave.

Her first born is officially due today, and what is surely a time of nervous excitement for the expanding First Family will carry an added layer of anxiety.

Her MPs don’t exactly make it easy for her. End quote.

 

That is because they are mostly shiftless, stupid and stumbling. Quote:

The chickens have come home to roost for the Government this week, with the Opposition enjoying what’s likely to be far too many “told you so” moments for Ardern’s liking.

And if this week has illustrated anything it’s what lies at the beating heart of any coalition-related controversy – Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has been at the centre of everything.

That goes to the heart of a strategy the National Party developed at the start of the year during its intensive two-day caucus strategy meeting: don’t target Peters, there’s simply no need. 

And to a certain extent, National’s strategy of divide and conquer gained some abstract success this week too.  End quote.

Actually, Winston Peters isn’t at the centre of everything. All of the government’s problems are centred on inept Labour ministers. Quote:

It began with a hastily-arranged press conference by Justice Minister Andrew Little, to reveal that his grand plan to repeal the three strikes legislation had been shot out of the sky.

He’d spent the previous week giving interviews about his plans to take it to Cabinet and push forward – the only issue was, he did not have the numbers to do so. More embarrassingly for Little, Peters decided to wait until the 11th hour to let him know.

Total humiliation  awaits any member of Cabinet who threatens to step outside the bounds of MMP and attempt a “first past the post”-style power play to get ahead of public opinion – that’s what Little got and really, he should have expected it. End quote.

It was poor coalition management from Andrew Little, and Jacinda Ardern who was more concerned about travel arrangements from Auckland to Hamilton for some more soft media ahead of her birth. Quote:

When the PM comes back in six weeks saying “hey guys, what did I miss?” her officials may be looking sideways.

“Perhaps you’d better sit down for this one, Prime Minister.” End quote.

I don’t think things are going to get better for this government. Actually, much, much worse. The David Clark story has much, much more to come, and Kelvin Davis isn’t out of the woods either.

Crime and common sense: emotions and expertise in the three strikes debate

Last updated 05:00, June 15 2018

Is locking more people up for longer the common sense approach to violent crime?

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Is locking more people up for longer the common sense approach to violent crime?

Justice Minister Andrew Little’s dream of repealing the three strikes law is in tatters for now. But is the law working? Philip Matthews reports. 

Former politician and barrister David Garrett wandered into his local tyre-fitting shop one day last summer and saw a young Māori guy there with a Mongrel Mob tattoo on his neck.

Small talk ensued. The young man told Garrett that he had left gang life behind: “I got caught in that f…in’ three strikes law.”

Garrett assumed the man did not recognise that he had been the godfather of the three strikes law during his time as an Act MP and asked him to expand. What followed, Garrett says, was an explanation of how three strikes worked that was as specific as anything a lawyer or legal academic could have told him.

Garrett took a few important things from this encounter. One, that the law is working as intended. Two, that the offenders it targets understood the warnings from judges which acted as deterrents. Lack of education was no barrier.

Of course, Garrett’s many opponents in legal, academic and political worlds may find his anecdote a bit too convenient.

“You’ve just got my word on this,” he says. “Take it or leave it as you wish.”

The three strikes law, or the Sentencing and Parole Reform Act 2010, to use its official title, was a product of the former National Government’s coalition deal with Act. It suggested zero-tolerance tough-on-crime thinking in a catchy, easy-to-grasp way. “Three strikes” may be a US baseball reference but it also sounds like parenting 101: you give two clear warnings and then dish out the consequences.

Former Act MP David Garrett, photographed at his home in 2011, thinks the law is working as he envisaged.

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Former Act MP David Garrett, photographed at his home in 2011, thinks the law is working as he envisaged.

It works like this. All 40 violent and sexual offences that come with a maximum of seven years in prison or more are included. First offence means a first warning and sentence. Second offence means a final warning, a full sentence and no parole. Third offence? Maximum sentence and no parole, unless the court decides that would be “manifestly unjust”.

The fact that it was an Act policy softened by National, which insisted on the “manifestly unjust” clause, means that many people assume it is fringe thinking. But tough-on-crime rhetoric is very mainstream.

The Sensible Sentencing Trust, which likes the three strikes law, commissioned polling company Curia to survey opinion. Of the 965 respondents contacted via landline in late February and early March 2018, 68 per cent said they approve of the three strikes law and only 20 per cent disapproved. There were no great differences between genders but those aged 31-60 were marginally more supportive than those older or younger. It was more popular in Christchurch and provincial and rural centres than in Auckland and Wellington.

But it was the political leanings of supporters that really struck Garrett. Seventy eight per cent of National supporters approved of it, but so did 63 per cent of Labour supporters, 66 per cent of NZ First supporters and an amazing 48 per cent of Green supporters.

This reflection of mass opinion cannot be underestimated. When asked what is good about three strikes, Otago University law professor Andrew Geddis, who is personally opposed to it, says “it does seem to match with a public desire to see recidivist violent offenders sentenced more harshly for their crimes.

“In so far as the public does have this appetite for retribution, and a feeling, correct or not, that prison is the safest place to put these people, then the three strikes approach helps to satisfy that,” he says. “And there’s something to be said for the law reflecting what the public wants, given that in the end it is all of our law.”

But the bad? “The public’s gut level feeling about crime and punishment turns out to not actually match what experts and those who study the data seem to tell us.”

In short, just because the public likes a law does not mean the law is working.

Justice Minister Andrew Little is determined to repeal the "stupid" three strikes law.

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Justice Minister Andrew Little is determined to repeal the “stupid” three strikes law.

Is three strikes working or not? 

Act leader David Seymour illustrated the gap between emotion and expertise when he told a reporter that outgoing Chief Science Adviser Sir Peter Gluckman displayed “intellectual snobbery” when he called tough-on-crime approaches “populist” and “simplistic” in a 2018 report on the justice system. Seymour asked: “On what basis is his experience and evidence worth more than someone who lost a loved one to crime or had their shop done over?”

Coming just days after Gluckman was widely applauded for bringing evidence and expertise to the debate about meth houses, Seymour’s rhetorical question might seem odd. But it conveys the deep-seated, almost primal, feelings about violent crime in the community.

The context was Justice Minister Andrew Little’s dogged determination to repeal three strikes. Little has called it “an absolutely absurd law” and “the high water mark of policy stupidity”. But without coalition partner NZ First’s overt support, a repeal seems unlikely.

Garrett thinks Little is being “irrational” and predicted that NZ First would be hard to persuade.

But putting emotion and anecdotes aside for a moment, is three strikes working? That depends on how you play with the numbers.

The 965 respondents who answered Curia’s phone call had another question put to them. They were asked the following.

“Since the law came into force in June 2010, there have been 9300 first strike offenders convicted, 257 second strike offenders convicted and two third strike offenders convicted. The Department of Corrections has assessed 85 per cent of the second and third strikers as being at a high or very high risk of reoffending and on average, these offenders have more than 23 prior convictions.

“Does knowing these facts make you more supportive of the law, less supportive or make no difference to your view?”

The statement and question implies that the law is working as it should, by locking bad people up for longer. After hearing that, 47 per cent of those who had approved of three strikes liked it even more. But it made no difference to 37 per cent of those who approved.

There are some numbers Garrett likes to cite. The Ministry of Justice reports that there were 5517 first strike offenders in the five years before the law and 5248 in the five years after. But second strikers dropped from 103 to 68, which may or may not mean that 35 offenders were so scared by their first warning that, like Garrett’s Mongrel Mob member, they straightened up.

For Garrett, that is proof that the law is working as a deterrent: “There is no other programme I’m aware of that has had a 34 per cent reduction. I’ve never heard of anything coming close to 34 per cent.”

Otago University law professor Andrew Geddis sees that three strikes aligns with the public's gut feeling about crime ...

Otago University law professor Andrew Geddis sees that three strikes aligns with the public’s gut feeling about crime and punishment.

The deep and irrational

But the Ministry of Justice warns against such a bold interpretation, saying there were changes in policing and prosecution practices and a significant reduction in cases before the courts across those two periods.

“The relationship between legislation and crime is extremely complicated,” says Victoria University sociologist Liam Martin, who argues that the Sensible Sentencing Trust, National leader Simon Bridges and others are “trading in misinformation”.

Martin cites a major study by Michael Tonry​ of the University of Minnesota Law School, titled “Why Crime Rates Are Falling Throughout the Western World”.

New Zealand is not immune. Despite the impressions conveyed by some in politics and media, “New Zealand’s recorded crime levels are the lowest seen since the late 1970s,” as Gluckman wrote in his report in March 2018. Gluckman argued for crime prevention, early intervention and smarter approaches to rehabilitation over building more prisons.

Gluckman added this interesting detail: “It is worrying that, in 2016, 71 per cent of New Zealanders thought crime was increasing.”

Tonry’s article expands on the idea that locking more people up does not affect crime rates. He compared the US and Canada and found that while crime rates were in parallel, the US imprisoned far more people: “Since 1960, the Canadian imprisonment rate has fluctuated around 100 per 100,000 population, while America’s rise from 150 per 100,000 in 1970 to 756 in 2007,” Tonry wrote in 2014.

New Zealand’s imprisonment rate is around 220 per 100,000. The OECD average is 147.

Tonry’s comparison of the US and Canada would seem to say that locking more people up does not reduce crime.

“That’s an arguable point,” Garrett agrees. “I don’t know the Canadian rate but it’s certainly much less than the American.”

He also agrees it is hard to draw direct lines between cause and effect. One can find numbers to support any view.

“That’s right,” Garrett says. “There are so many variables. Violent crime dropped a bit then started to rise again. Who knows what would be happening without three strikes.

“That’s complete conjecture, I admit it.”

Dig down further and it is really about philosophy. Can people who do bad things be redeemed or are they simply evil?

It may be an unfashionable word these days but Garrett took from his reading of Robert Hare, a Canadian expert in psychopaths, that “there are some people who are just evil”.

Good and evil, right and wrong: the argument about three strikes goes to the deep, irrational heart of how we feel about crime, justice and human nature. Garrett sees three strikes as common sense, which has “almost been outlawed in the legal profession”.

But should we base our laws on ideas of common sense? Geddis takes a more complicated view.

“Should the laws we have be the laws that people in a kind of kneejerk, unconsidered fashion think make sense, or should our laws be informed by the best evidence that we have on an issue, gathered by people who have time and expertise to consider the issue in more detail?” Geddis asks.

“Secondly, how should we treat individuals who have committed offences against others? Should we treat them as individuals who are to be judged on the basis of their particular circumstances and we try to do the best to make sure they are reformed and don’t go on to commit more violence or do we treat individuals who do so as a social problem to be disposed of in a way that makes us all feel better?”